of house homeland security committee, peter king. >> the only pledge we should make is avoid becoming greece. republicans should put revenue on the table. >> i think everything should be on the table. i myself am opposed to tax increases. the fact the speaker and majority leader and president will be in another room trying to find the best package. i will not prejudge it. jon: joining us now for a fair and balanced debate the doug thorn former communication is chairman for the democratic national committee and congressman chris van hollen. ron bonjean for. former aide to house speaker dennis hastert. has grover norquist lost his will? >> speaker boehner said revenues would be on the table as well as spending cuts and entitlement reform but we would not raise tax rates. i have seen nothing different than what these senators have said in the last day or so than what speaker boehner has said. the key here is the devil is in the details. once we see some sort of fine print in the next couple weeks, we'll know, you know, we'll know whether our legislators stand. one interesting thing here.